10 12 / 2013
10 12 / 2013
01 12 / 2013
TL;DR Version: So congrats! We still don’t know anything about Xiao Qiao, let’s have a drink. We have no idea where the fuck she’s buried and we have no evidence supporting or refuting any of the current advertised sites. It’s even possible that the current “known” sites are fake or even re-purposed shrines (See “Shrine of the Bold Beauty: Sun Shang-Xiang’s Fake Gravesite” for explanation).
DISCLAIMER: HOWEVER I am not infallible. I don’t have access to every single travel log of every single scholar who ever treaded the soil across China. I try, but perhaps something slipped the cracks?
All this information is to the best of my ability. I make mistakes. Lots of them, in fact. But if you can find a mention of the tomb in something like a county record or a travel log, congrats you’ve outsearched me and please tell me so I can correct myself!
No, we don’t actually know where Xiao Qiao’s tomb is, we don’t actually know where Xiao Qiao’s tomb is, we don’t actually know where Xiao Qiao’s tomb is. There are three sites that tourism claims to be Xiao Qiao’s tomb: Nanling, Yueyang, and Lujiang,
For sure, Nanling is not the site.
The Nanling tomb was constructed by a local official in 1779 [for non-mathy people, that’s about 1500 years after Xiao Qiao lived], during the Qing Dynasty. I don’t know the reason. Source: Their own tourism page.
Note: If you read the “biography” of Xiao Qiao on the page, you’ll see that it’s actually a fictional biography so… We probably shouldn’t hang on this page.
So, is it Yueyang or Lujiang?
Which is it? Quite possibly neither. I can’t find any evidence. I’d cite sources here but what am I supposed to cite when I can’t find anything in the first place?!
You see, it is not at all uncommon in Chinese history for a place to suddenly just up and decide to declare a place or an already-existing tomb to be the tomb of some historical figure. I think there was a controversial dispute in the Ming about repurposing a shrine that was previously for a local god, but I forget the details.
Also, “memorial” sites and the actual burial site can be in totally different places. And I don’t think I even need to mention Cao Cao’s tomb vs the 2398402 places that claim to be Cao Cao’s tomb (Wake me up when the controversy’s over). The best way to tell the difference is if there is a tomb and a dead body, it is an actual burial site, and no body/remains = memorial site. However this is useless in practice, as the vast majority of tombs have been destroyed, ransacked, etc over the ages- so memorial or tomb, we can’t tell anymore.
In general, I think that the rule of thumb for historians is that if the grave is older than the Ming, unless it’s mentioned in contemporary record we cannot be sure if it’s the real thing or if it’s a made-up thing. The older you go, the less we can we sure, until we reach this point: We honestly don’t know if the listed sites are real or not.
So using my resources, I have come to the following conclusion that:
Because no mention of these sites occur in contemporary records or anything near contemporary records (defined here as within 200 years of the time, so any time up to ~400 AD),
So congrats! We still don’t know anything about Xiao Qiao, and this is the least eloquent, worst thing I’ve written since ever.
Sidenote: Hey! I don’t mind questions but if I don’t get to you within ten seconds, it doesn’t mean I hate you or that I’m ignoring you. It just means I’m busy, or I need time to think : )
01 12 / 2013
In fictional portrayals of the Three Kingdoms, Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao are portrayed as two of the greatest beauties of their period. Daughters of the esteemed former Han minister Qiao Xuan, they were married to Sun Ce and Zhou Yu while the two were establishing a power base in the Southlands. Their beauty was so great that it drove Cao Cao to invade Yangzhou in a bid to capture them for himself.
Historically, very little is known of the Qiao sisters. They were the children of a man referred in the Sanguozhi as Qiao Gong (lit. Elder Qiao), who belonged to the respectable Qiao family of the Southlands (Wu 9). They were wed to Sun Ce and Zhou Yu in 199, in order to create political ties between the Sun clan and the local families of the newly-captured area of Lujiang (de Crespingy 214). Other than their beauty, they are not mentioned further in history. The elder Qiao sister bore Sun Ce a son named Shao who died in infancy, while the younger Qiao sister bore Zhou Yu two sons named Xun and Yin and a daughter who later married Sun Deng. Supposedly, the younger Qiao sister’s tomb is located near modern Yueyang in Hunan (Hanchang prefecture during the Three Kingdoms period) was destroyed and renovated repeatedly throughout history. A second location in Lujiang is also claimed to be the younger Qiao sister’s tomb, but there is no conclusive evidence that proves either location as her final resting place.
It is important to note that, as mentioned above, this is all of the historical information to be found on the Qiao sisters. Any other information is the creation of folklore and fiction.
Generals of the South Chapters 3 & 4, Dr. Rafe de Crespingy
Records of the Three Kingdoms, Wu 9
^^This. READ THIS, ESPECIALLY LAST PARAGRAPH.
Guys, it’s really not that hard!!! If it’s not in contemporary historical record it’s probably not true. : (
Also I testify that Qu Hui is very knowledgeable and cites his sources : >
29 11 / 2013
Gan Ning and Ling Tong ditch work to go on a date together in the middle of a war. Their boss Zhou Yu is not pleased.
*Insert cosplay video*
saw them at AX! couldnt stop smiling <333
Next time say hi, GanLing fans unite! XDD